On February 16, 2024, there was a lengthy exchange on my post about Prem Rawat between an individual named Janice and many others, including Hans Rawat, Prem Rawat’s eldest son. Hans’s comments were deleted when the comment he was responding to was deleted. What follows is a reconstruction of Hans’s original comments along with those from others that provide context to his responses.
Here is Don Johnson’s post on Facebook. Comments follow.
An uplifting message from Prem Rawat:
“The chances are you’ve never seen the other side of me. You’ve seen the event side of me when I’m on stage. But there is another side of me.
If you evoke that side, you won’t like it. It’s a nasty side. You don’t want to see that side. You’re not missing anything by not seeing it.”
Arundel, England, 23rd July 1999
Did Krishna have a nasty side? Did Ram Dass have a nasty side? Did Jesus have a nasty side? Does Eckhart Tolle have a nasty side?
Did Nelson Mandela have a nasty side? Did Mother Theresa have a nasty side? Did Thich Nhat Hanh have a nasty side? Does the Dalai Lama have a nasty side?
Food for thought.
Janice
everyone has good and bad, feed your good wolf, it blooms, feed your bad wolf, it blooms. we’ve all experienced our good and bad sides, we are humans, Difference is some people choose to really feed the good wolf, others the bad wolf, you will find yourself living in heaven, or hell, according to our actions.
Don
Janice I hear you. The question is what wolf is Prem Rawat been feeding? Ask those who see him off stage, like his family. Or take a look at this post: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/forum?cmd=get&cG=9333432333&zu=3933343233&v=2&gV=0&p=
Daniel
Don That link has some extra characters in it and doesn’t work. Maybe this will: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/forum?cmd=get&cG=9333432333&zu=3933343233&v=2&gV=0&p=
Don
Daniel Thank you Just fixed it!
Phil
Janice yup… “according to our actions “. It’s difficult but we gotta acknowledge what Hans is saying.
James
Phil we have to? I don’t know him at all.
Janice
Phil nah – my brother bitches about my dad too, blames him for ruining his life – it’s a common thing for kids to blame their parents, instead of growing up, taking responsibility for their own lives. Every human needs inner peace, without it we tend to bitch n complain and not appreciate our lives, or our parents. Wait til Hans son starts blaming him, then maybe he will get it, grow up. Sounds like mental illness to me. Is he on meds Hans ?
Jo
Janice so you don’t believe what Hansi said happened to him as a child? It’s not called bitching it’s called abuse.
Phil
Janice this appears to be at a whole different level…
Joe
James so, you think Hans is lying?
Janice
I have seen Hans on fb running a scam. Sorry but I wouldn’t trust him-no disrespect intended.
Phil
Janice what if Prem admitted that he did what Hans is saying he did? What if he offered a lame semi apology and didn’t deny the accusations?
James
Joe I wouldn’t have any idea. But I’m not gonna just side with HIM! Never met him. not a friend at all. Stories are complicated and the term “abuse” is a catch-all. I’d sooner stay out of it.
Angel
James Its Prems oldest son. Wow. Where have you been?
Angel
Janice no. His father the great Guru sexually abused him as a child and not just Hans… Shocking and a huge wake up call for us who devoutly followed him.
Hans
Janice , Are you suggesting life insurance is a scam?
Hans (in reply to Janice)
I have absolutely no reason to concoct such lies about anyone in fact I have many reason not to allow this information to get out. By speaking out against my parents, I am walking away from a promised multimillion dollar inheritance! This is exactly the reason my brother who is also a sexual abuse victim of my parents is keeping silent or denying these allegations.
Susan
Hans I believe you Hans. I am so sorry you have to deal with people who do or say anything to protect their “master” No matter how much you know that some premies would excuse absolutely any behavior, it hurts to actually see them do it and it hurts me to watch them insult you. I knew they would, you knew they
would too. But it’s still shocking to watch. I believe some premies could have watched this happen and would
side with your father, or watched him do absolutely anything anything imaginable and see it as lila and a loyalty test. But knowing that and being personally attacked in real time are so different.
Hans
I wonder how many followers of my father actually know the history of the term “Perfect Master”. He certainly didn’t coin it. Google it, you will find an Indian man by the name of Meher Baba in the early 20th century who claimed to be either God in human form or in touch with God to the point where he alone could disseminate God’s infinite wisdom to his followers. It’s funny how God always seems to show up on earth without enough money and needs to extract it from people who have been convinced that he or she actually is God. It seems that you, my dear Janice, do not have the wear withal to distinguish between what is legitimate and what is a scam. I certainly do not blame anyone who doesn’t in this case. Indoctrination is a lengthy process that prays on the spiritually thirsty. Is a hungry bear a fool or gullible for getting caught in a bear trap? Not at all. Trapping animals is tested and even improved upon by one trapper to the next. In this case though it’s not animals being trapped for their body. It’s humans beings trapped for their mind and soul. The biggest difference is that the animal knows right away when they are trapped. The effectiveness of this particular human trap is that the victim may never realize that they were trapped until the day they die.
My father himself said in satsang that one will not see the entirety of their life until the moment they die. He left clues. He also used to tell parables at premie only events. I was young and none of them made sense to me except one. It was very clear, in it he basically suggested heaven is boring and hell is a huge dinner party with history’s most influential and interesting people. Those who have allowed themselves to be programmed to worship a false idol in place of God have a place at that table in my opinion. However, I believe it is not a pleasant dinner party as the fable suggests.
Don
Hans You are a brave and courageous man. You’re standing tall, taking huge risks to speak truthfully. Thank you.
Hans (in reply to Janice asking if Hans is on Meds)
Janice I will admit there was a time in my life that I did use illegal drugs recreationally after the repressed memories of being sexually abused by my parents resurfaced. I am certainly not proud of those days, but I look at it as a form of self-medication at a time when I couldn’t even talk to a therapist about these issues. Thats how frozen inside I was. For the record My father first gave me alcohol and cannabis when we lived in Miami Beach, there were several premies who saw this. I was about 7 when we left that house and never returned.
Susan
Hans, anyone who has studied child sexual abuse knows this very common way to anesthetize the pain. That they would hurl this against you is cruel and ignorant. They used the struggles of the Jagdeo victims very similarly. You were raised surrounded by people who thought your father was their satguru. As a baby, you watched them all kiss his feet, obey his every command, prostrate themselves before him. Where were you to turn? I am posting under my real name here today. I will stand with you and whatever little bit of support that is. I know it mattered when people believed me. It mattered to A too, It mattered to many others who never spoke ( maybe because they too had wounds of their abuse that they knew would be used against them). The shame is not yours. The shame is the perpetrator’s.
Susan
James is there anything, Prem Rawat himself could do, that would make you critical of him? Do you typically dismiss victims of sexual assault as lying?
Janice
Hans as Prem’s son you have a lot of power, be careful how you use it. I’m sorry but you sound like someone with mental health issues, drug issues, psychosis, hallucinations — I’ve seen similar in my own family at large. I wish you wellness.
Don
Janice Oh for crying out loud. How can you possibly say something as rude as this to Hans? Honestly, where is your compassion? Appalling comment. I’ll leave it up for awhile so people can see your true colors and then I’ll probably delete it.
Susan
Janice, this is called stigmatizing the victim. It’s revolting. I condemn your words as cruel, and ignorant. https://1in6.org/
Hans
Susan, hi Susan, yes, my mother of course saw, and another premie I remember. I won’t mention his name in this post. He was very close to my father at the time, but they drifted apart as most have. As far as I know he is still in the cult. A few years ago, I told a family member that this person had witnessed the abuse first hand. It may have gotten back to him because apparently a few weeks later I heard he had a stroke. I remember the incident so clearly, I won’t get into details here but when my father started molesting me in front of him, I looked over to see his reaction. He looked like he had just seen a ghost. His face turned white as a sheet and his whole body shuttered. I have no ill will toward him for not speaking up. People were terrified of upsetting him for good reason.
Susan
Hans I wish this never happened to any child and I am so sorry it happened to you. There are many levels of betrayal. The abuse itself, the witnesses without the courage or too indoctrinated to believe their eyes, and the institutions that protect the abuser. I hope that by speaking the truth about what happened to you, you put that back squarely where it belongs, on those who abused, and those who betrayed you.
Don
Susan Yes, it is horrific and the lack of care for Hans is equally appalling. Anyone with a brain in their head, needs to extend support and love to Hans and his family and call for the perpetrators to be held to account. No matter who they are.
Susan
Hans your father giving you psychoactive drugs, at such a young age, known to affect child brain development and loosen inhibitions, is inexcusable and reprehensible. There are other known child sexual predators that have used those sorts of drugs in the perpetration of the assault. Along with the newspaper stories published when you were a child of Prem Rawat’s sadistic humiliation of his closest followers, it fits with the published accounts of his private behavior. That his children were also used in such a way remains shocking to me. Was there any boundary that wasn’t crossed? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?%20fbid=324212973869123&set=pb.100088412672576.-2207520000&type=3
James
Victims of or so-called victims of sexual assault, I give a case by case analysis. There was a extremely talented baseball pitcher a couple of years ago, who was framed by some crockpot. When she accused him of assault, the league immediately kicked him out. he went to pitch in Japan. The judge threw her case out. I have a big problem with that. I don’t know what happened to her, but she should’ve gone to jail.
Susan
Don the things that Prem Rawat followers say feeling they are defending him are often the most telling about the dynamics of the cult of all.
James
Susan actually I’m very critical of Prem as I have mentioned here. I have a lot of grapes. Sour grapes? I meant to say I have a lot of grapes. Come on auto text, gripes. That said, though there is some books somewhere that has published the techniques, I would never have known about it and nor would I have probably given it the dedication that I have for the past 52 years. So I owe him a lot. Like I said here before, it’s much better than not doing it at all for me. Although the God realization part has escaped me for the time being, I still dream about it. And as someone here said, people who throw accusations must be examine critically. I’m not a big fan of the American court system. People tend to appreciate it only when the person that they hate gets in trouble.
Susan
James I may have missed that you can criticize Prem Rawat. Many premies, (I know they may be called PWKs or students or something new now) seem unable to do that. Please read up on child sexual abuse generally before you condemn Hans. It’s uniquely cruel to disbelieve a sexual assault victim. It is extremely rare for children or adults to make false accusations. As Hans said, he had much to lose financially. I think what he has to gain is his integrity, his own name, the ultimate safety of his family ( though I know that the history of Fakiranand bashing Pat Halley’s head in is not something Hans and Shana are unaware of). I ask you to open your heart to the possibility what he is saying is true,
Jacob
Janice Your brother bitches about your dad having fondled his genitals when he was little?
Hans
Janice how so? Because I’m calling you’re Devine lord and savior a child molester?
Susan
There are far more examples of the justice system failing victims of child or adult sexual assault than false allegations. I am so sorry if I misread you too. Sexual assault of all kinds, is vastly underreported, while law enforcement and the justice system have improved, it’s difficult to come forward, it’s difficult every step of the way for victims. Of course, there are those minority of false allegations, but they are rare and they are used like a hammer to scare victim from reporting their own sexual assault, for fear what they will face. Read up on Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jeffrey Epstein, Michael Jackson, Woody Allen… read about Larry Nasser, Dr. Robert Hadden.…. the justice system isn’t easy at all for victims of sexual assault when the perpetrator isn’t famous or powerful… when it’s a David and Goliath situation… bringing up an example as you did serves to scare and silence those who speak out. https://www.cantbuymysilence.com/
Hans
Janice is that what you say about your own family members who aren’t obsessed with your absurd and ever morphing spiritual leader? You’re a piece of work!
Karen
Janice That is a shocking response. No empathy, no humanity, no mercy.
Hans (reply to Janice)
I wanted to respond to Janice’s accusations that I seem to have a psychosis similar some of her family members. I can no longer find her post, so I’ll just respond here. I have been through many hours of therapy over the years. My mental health professional here in Florida, a Doctor of Psychology, had absolutely no problem whatsoever believing my story. Not only did she believe me, she analyzed my behavior for many hours. Janice has not, nor is she to my knowledge a Doctor of Psychology. Since seeing this particular doctor, I have been told by more than one expert in the field that cult leaders and sexual abuse of one kind or another seem to go hand in hand.
Phil
Don please leave it so others can see her cold heart.
Susan
Phil everyone should screenshot and save all of this agree.
Don
Phil No problem. I’Il leave it